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| JimRohn: 11:53pm On Jun 04 |
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Dear Christian friends, This is a sincere theological question intended for reflection, not provocation. According to Trinitarian doctrine, Jesus is both fully God and fully man. Yet in the Gospels, we find that Jesus experiences hunger (Matthew 4:2), fatigue (John 4:6), ignorance (Mark 13:32), and even temptation by Satan (Matthew 4:1). These are unmistakable signs of human limitation. However, God — by definition — is all-knowing, self-sufficient, and entirely above being tempted or weakened. As the Bible states: > “God cannot be tempted by evil.” — James 1:13 If Jesus was truly God, how can he be tempted by Satan? If he is God, how can he not know the Day of Judgment? If he is God, how can he hunger or grow in wisdom (Luke 2:52)? These are not small matters. They go to the very heart of what it means to be divine. From the Islamic view, this confusion does not arise. God (Allah) is perfect, eternal, and absolutely free from human weaknesses. He does not become man. Jesus (peace be upon him) is honored as a prophet and messenger, born miraculously, but he is not divine. His mission was to call people to worship the One True God — not to claim divinity for himself. So we ask respectfully: If Jesus is fully God, how do you reconcile divine perfection with the human limitations he clearly experienced? We invite you to reflect, and to consider whether pure monotheism — as taught by all prophets — offers a clearer and more consistent understanding of God's nature. BibleInterpreta AntiChristian TenQ CreativeOrbit gofh honesttalk21 NairaLTQ MaxInDHouse 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| QuinQ: 11:55pm On Jun 04 |
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You're obviously ignoring the "fully man " part of the equation. Christ is eternal God who took on human form and HUMAN NATURE for some 33 years. Any more questions? 3 Likes |
| advanceDNA: 4:47am On Jun 05 |
JimRohn: After hundreds of years....its funny that you M0hamed followers still haven't realized you and Christ!ans have completely different faith system and don't believe in the same G0d... |
| MaxInDHouse(m): 5:14am On Jun 05 |
JimRohn: The verse churchgoers misconstrued to think Jesus is God has been settled but since all their beliefs is centered on the falsehood of TRINITY they just don't want to reason. Jesus is NOT God in the sense these people are claiming God's word clearly says Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18 compared to Act 3:22-23} Moses was God {Exodus 7:1} because he was the first human given supernatural gifts to perform miracles and Jesus is the greatest human given that same power. Jesus had lived as an angel in heaven before coming to the earth that makes him advanced in existence than any other human {John 8:58} but that he is the Almighty God that's confirmed heresy because he himself begged God to save him from death! Hebrews 5:7 May you have peace! 
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| TenQ: 5:46am On Jun 05 |
JimRohn: Tell me, 1. Does Allah need to eat? 2. Can Allah eat and still remain almighty? 3. Can Allah enter his creation and still remain almighty? 4. Does Allah die? 5. Can Allah die and still remain almighty? Until you first demonstrate that Allah is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent. Your argument is based on gross ignorance as the Taoheed of Allah is exactly like the Taoheed of Iblis I can tell you, because God is Trinity 1. God does not need to eat 2. YHWH can eat and still remain Almighty 3. YHWH can enter His creation and still remain Almighty 4. YHWH does NOT die 5. YHWH can diesel and still remain Almighty You want a God so simple to comprehend like items in creation and you with Taoheed unconsciously put a physical limitation on him. YHWH is unlike Anyone or Anything in creation. Taoheed is a description of the oneness of created things. Even human beings are higher in nature to your Taoheed. Please answer these If per chance it is possible for Allah to become a perfect man, do you think he would be able to feel all the senses a man would feel like warmth, cold, heat, pain etc or he would be lifeless? If per chance it is possible for Allah to become a perfect man, will he reduce his attributes in our world or come with his full attributes as Allah? Think! |
| TenQ: 5:51am On Jun 05 |
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JimRohn Even though You despise the Truth, do you think Trinity or Duality is Illogical? Suppose I prove the logicality just from Islam, would you submit to understanding or still cling on to your strawman tactics? It is a challenge! |
| AntiChristian: 6:23am On Jun 05 |
MaxInDHouse: Jesus is never an Angel. That erroneous Jehovah witness ideology is false and unfounded! |
| MaxInDHouse(m): 7:20am On Jun 05 |
AntiChristian:Well Muhammad was never a prophet of the same God of Abraham it's lies from Arabs deceiving people like you! 
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| CreativeOrbit: 7:23am On Jun 05 |
MaxInDHouse:Thank you for your thoughtful reply and for engaging with the question in a serious manner. I appreciate your distinction between what the Scriptures actually teach and what many church traditions have come to assert — particularly regarding the divinity of Jesus (peace be upon him). You made several important points, which I would like to address briefly and respectfully, from an Islamic theological standpoint: 🔹 1. Jesus as a Prophet Like Moses (Deut. 18:18) Indeed, Deuteronomy 18:18 prophesies about a prophet like Moses. We Muslims fully affirm this — and we believe this prophecy finds its ultimate and complete fulfillment not in Jesus, but in Muhammad ﷺ, who, like Moses: Brought a complete law (Shariah/Torah) Was born naturally (unlike Jesus’ miraculous birth) Was a statesman, leader, and lawgiver Lived a full human life with children and nation-building responsibilities Jesus (peace be upon him), while greatly honored, had a fundamentally different mission and life — one of calling the Children of Israel back to true monotheism, not to deliver a new comprehensive law or form a political state. 🔹 2. Moses Was "God" in Exodus 7:1? Exodus 7:1 says: > "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh..." This is clearly metaphorical. The verse uses the phrase "like God" or "as God" — not that Moses was literally God. It simply means he was given authority to speak and act with divine backing, especially in his confrontations with Pharaoh. This linguistic usage does not imply ontological divinity. In fact, the Bible often uses such metaphorical language (e.g., Psalm 82:6 — “You are gods, sons of the Most High,” referring to human judges). Likewise, being given power to perform miracles does not make one divine. Many prophets were empowered by God to perform miraculous deeds — including Elijah, Elisha, and Moses — yet none were called divine. 🔹 3. Jesus’ Pre-Human Existence (John 8:58) You mentioned John 8:58 ("Before Abraham was, I am" as evidence of Jesus’ pre-existence. However:Pre-existence does not equal divinity. From the Islamic perspective, all souls exist in a pre-worldly state (see Qur’an 7:172). Even angels pre-exist — yet they are not divine. The phrase “I am” (Greek: ego eimi) does not necessarily denote Godhood. It can simply be a declaration of existence or role. Context matters, and many scholars argue that Trinitarian interpretation of this phrase reads too much into the text. 🔹 4. Hebrews 5:7 – Jesus Begging God for Help You rightly noted: > “During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death...” — Hebrews 5:7 This verse directly undercuts the idea of Jesus being Almighty God. A being who prays, cries, and begs for deliverance is not the One who answers prayers, but the one in need of help. By definition, God does not cry for rescue — He rescues. 🔹 5. Islamic Perspective: Absolute Monotheism (Tawhid) Islam offers a clear and uncompromising vision of God's nature: God is One, Unique, Eternal He does not beget, nor is He begotten (Qur’an 112) He is not subject to hunger, sleep, weakness, or death (Qur’an 2:255) Prophets — including Jesus — are honored servants and messengers, not incarnations of God This clarity avoids the theological dilemma of reconciling divine perfection with human weakness. 🤝 Final Reflection I truly respect your willingness to challenge mainstream doctrine and look at the scriptures afresh. In that spirit, I gently invite you to consider: if Jesus (peace be upon him) is not Almighty God — as your message suggests — then isn't it time to reassess the entire Trinitarian framework, which is nowhere explicitly taught by Jesus himself? Islam offers a return to the pure monotheism preached by Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them all) — to worship the One Creator without intermediaries or divine partners. May God guide us all to truth and sincerity. Peace be upon you. BibleInterpreta TenQ gofh NairaLTQ MaxInDHouse |
| MaxInDHouse(m): 7:26am On Jun 05 |
CreativeOrbit:Sorry Muhammad has nothing to do with the God of Abraham!
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| Antichristian2: 7:27am On Jun 05 |
MaxInDHouse: Of course to you he isn't. That's why you're called a disbeliever! To us all of them from Adam to Jesus and Muhammad are Prophets! Just like the Jews disbelieved in Jesus and became disbelievers! They are all humans! Angels no dey suffer hunger! Angels has no emotion! Angels don't die! Angels only mission is to obey and worship their creator! Jesus is never an angel. |
| MaxInDHouse(m): 7:28am On Jun 05 |
Antichristian2: Just as i also call you a disbeliever!
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| Antichristian2: 8:01am On Jun 05 |
MaxInDHouse: Even all the other Christian denominations are disbelievers to your Jehovah's witnesses! You are like the "Jabatas" of Christendom! |
| MaxInDHouse(m): 8:03am On Jun 05 |
Antichristian2: Ọmọ whatever makes each religion stands out means they are all against each other! |
| Antichristian2: 8:08am On Jun 05 |
MaxInDHouse: Your Jesus is Taze Russell Charles of 1914! He started your own cult back them in is it NY or Brooklyn? He did made your cult stand out! |
| QuinQ: 8:35am On Jun 05 |
MaxInDHouse: Here is why you are wrong: 1) No one knew the scriptures better than Christ 2) Christ was in the habit of going to the synagogue, reading from the scriptures and telling the Jews “Today this scripture is fulfilled" (Luke 4:17-21) 3) The Jews were eagerly expecting three people at the time of Christ: a) the Messiah b) the prophet of Deut.18:18 c) Elijah. They were always asking which of these people were 4) Jesus couldn't have escaped confirming He was that prophet if that's who He was. HE DIDN'T. 5) Jesus was not like Moses AT ALL! Two people couldn't be more different. Moses started life by killing a man in cold blood, quite the opposite of Christ Moses would have cursed you if you said he was the resurrection and the life and that once you see him you've seen God, talkless of he himself saying it. 6) JESUS HIMSELF directly said who he was: "The Christ, the Son of the living God" (NOT any prophet or angel) |
| TenQ: 8:56am On Jun 05 |
CreativeOrbit:Muslims cannot do without lies. Is it true that Christians say that 1. God is ONE 2. God is the Father, God is the Son and God is the Holy Spirit If this is TRUE, who is the INTERMEDIARIES or DEVINE partners with God according to Christians. Please truthfully answer this Question because it seems that without Strawman Islam is not complete! |
| MaxInDHouse(m): 9:29am On Jun 05 |
Antichristian2:Going by your yardstick all the prophets are the same whether written in the books you revere or not what really counts is the outcome not books.
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| MaxInDHouse(m): 9:32am On Jun 05 |
QuinQ:Everything you want to say comes from the same book (Bible) so whether Jesus, God, angels, prophets or holy Spirit are all written in that book by humans. What matters should be the outcome of the teachings whatever you are reading from any book is rubbish if it's of no practical benefits! : |
| QuinQ: 10:37am On Jun 05 |
MaxInDHouse: So why do you argue them all day long??!😅 |
| Chizigreat(m): 11:00am On Jun 05 |
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Understanding Seedtime And Harvest. Apostle Joshua Selman. Listen And Remain Blessed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7KRrNWGbz8?si=cXPwhHOyk30odo-U |
| MaxInDHouse(m): 11:08am On Jun 05 |
QuinQ:You are the one arguing i'm establishing facts that's beneficial to one and all!
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| JimRohn: 11:26am On Jun 05 |
TenQ:Dear TenQ Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your willingness to engage in this deep and important theological discussion. Let us approach this matter thoughtfully and respectfully. You asked several pointed questions regarding Allah’s attributes and the possibility of Him entering creation. Allow me to respond in a structured manner, clarifying the Islamic view while also respectfully addressing the implications of your statements. 1. Does Allah need to eat? Can He eat and remain Almighty? No, Allah does not need to eat, nor can He eat. The act of eating arises from need, which is a characteristic of created beings. In Islamic theology, need is imperfection, and Allah is absolutely free of all need (As-Samad). > “Allah – there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of existence… He neither tires nor sleeps…” — Qur’an 2:255 If Allah were to eat, He would cease to be the One who is utterly independent (Al-Ghaniyy) and perfectly self-sufficient — and thus no longer be God by definition. So the answer is not that He "can eat and remain Almighty" — rather, His Almighty nature is precisely why He does not eat. 2. Can Allah enter His creation and still remain Almighty? This question presumes that God must enter His creation to express power or love. But in Islam, Allah’s transcendence is not a limitation, it is perfection. The Creator is not subject to the dimensions, flaws, or confines of creation. To suggest otherwise is to impose creaturely limitations on the Creator — which is a theological contradiction. Your assertion that “YHWH can enter His creation and still remain Almighty” is internally inconsistent. The moment God becomes subject to the constraints of time, space, hunger, ignorance, or death, He undergoes change — and the One who changes cannot be eternal or self-sufficient. 3. Can Allah die? Death implies the cessation of life, and life (in created ) is contingent, dependent, and vulnerable. In Islam, Allah is Al-Hayy (The Ever-Living) — and not just alive, but unconditionally alive, not born, not dying, not dependent on anything. > “Every soul will taste death, but not Allah. He is the First and the Last.” — Qur’an 55:26-27 So no, Allah cannot die — not because He is limited, but because He is unlimited in His perfection. 4. You claimed: “The Tawheed of Allah is like the tawheed of Iblis.” This is a deeply flawed comparison. Iblis acknowledged God’s oneness, but refused to obey Him out of arrogance. Tawheed in Islam is not mere belief in oneness — it is pure, consistent, and submission-based monotheism that affirms God’s uniqueness in His essence, names, attributes, and lordship, and entails worshiping Him alone. Tawheed is not a description of creation. On the contrary, it is the absolute distinction between the Creator and the created — something that Trinitarian theology blurs. 5. “If Allah were to become a man, would He feel pain, heat, cold?” This is a hypothetical that Islam completely rejects. Why? Because if Allah were to become a man, He would have to limit His eternal attributes — which contradicts His very nature. So the proper answer is not to ask what would happen if Allah became a man, but to affirm He does not become man, because doing so would mean He is no longer God. This aligns with what the Bible itself says: > “God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man…” — Numbers 23:19 6. Clarity on the Trinity You stated that “God is Trinity.” However, this doctrine presents profound theological contradictions: How can God be co-equal, yet one Person is subordinate or ignorant? How can the Son die, while the Father remains, yet both are the same essence? How can the eternal God be born, tempted, or limited? These are not mysteries to be accepted blindly. They are contradictions that conflict with the definition of divinity. 7. Conclusion: Divine Simplicity is Not a Limitation You said we want a God “so simple to comprehend.” But the simplicity of Islamic monotheism is not a sign of weakness. It is a sign of clarity, consistency, and transcendence. Islam affirms that: God is One, Unique, Eternal He does not become His creation He does not hunger, tire, or die He is perfectly just, merciful, and wise He sends prophets, not pieces of Himself This is not a small view of God — this is a majestic, rational, and exalted view of God. We invite you, with full respect, to reexamine whether the idea of a God-man aligns with the consistent teaching of the prophets and with the unchanging perfection that God must have by definition. Let us seek the truth together, not through emotional arguments or hypothetical speculations, but by affirming what God has revealed about Himself clearly and purely. With sincerity and respect, Jimrohn BibleInterpreta AntiChristian TenQ CreativeOrbit gofh honesttalk21 NairaLTQ MaxInDHouse 1 Like 2 Shares |
| JimRohn: 12:43pm On Jun 05 |
TenQ:Dear TenQ, Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your willingness to engage in this important theological discussion. However, I must point out that your response did not directly address the core theological question I raised — namely, how can Jesus, if he is truly God, possess limitations such as ignorance, hunger, and susceptibility to temptation, when these qualities are fundamentally incompatible with the divine nature? Instead, your response resorted to an accusation that I "despise the Truth" and then pivoted to issuing a challenge about logicality. Let us clarify a few important points for the sake of sincere dialogue: 1. The Issue at Hand Is Internal Consistency, Not Emotion or Hostility My original question was not an attack, nor did it rely on emotion. It was a logical inquiry about internal coherence within Christian doctrine. If Jesus is fully God, then experiencing ignorance (Mark 13:32), temptation (Matthew 4:1), and growth in wisdom (Luke 2:52) creates a logical contradiction — because God, by definition, is omniscient, perfect, and immutable (Malachi 3:6, James 1:13). To dismiss this as a “strawman” without addressing the actual contradiction does not help clarify the issue — it simply evades it. 2. Claiming You Can Prove the Trinity From Islam Is a Category Error You stated you could prove the Trinity or “duality” from Islam. With due respect, that would be a fundamental misunderstanding of Islamic theology. Islam is founded upon Tawhid — absolute monotheism — which declares unambiguously: > “Say: He is Allah, One. Allah, the Absolute. He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.” (Qur’an 112:1–4) There is no room in Islamic theology for a division of the divine essence into “persons,” nor for God becoming incarnate or subject to human frailty. Any attempt to extract Trinitarian ideas from Islamic texts would involve misinterpretation or decontextualization. If you believe otherwise, I would invite you to present the exact Qur’anic or Hadith evidence and the methodology by which you claim it leads to Trinitarian conclusions. Assertions alone do not constitute arguments. 3. Logic and Revelation Must Align Muslims believe that truth is both revealed and rational. God does not command us to believe in logical contradictions. If a doctrine asserts that a being can be omniscient and ignorant, or immortal and capable of dying, infallible and tempted, all at once — that is not a mystery; it is a logical impossibility. God is not subject to change (Numbers 23:19), does not get tired or sleep (Psalm 121:4), and cannot be tempted (James 1:13). To say Jesus is fully God while possessing the very limitations God explicitly says He does not have is a contradiction that undermines divine perfection. 4. Our Invitation Remains As a Muslim, I stand by the clarity and simplicity of Islamic monotheism. We affirm that God is absolutely unique, above all human attributes, and not incarnate in any form. Jesus (peace be upon him) is revered as a mighty prophet, born of a virgin, but always distinguished from God Himself. This understanding is coherent, consistent, and affirmed by the teachings of all prophets, including Jesus himself who said: > “My Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28) So rather than trading challenges or accusations, let us return to the real question:❓👇 How can Jesus be fully God while possessing qualities that contradict God's perfect, divine nature? I await your thoughtful and respectful response. Warm regards, Jimrohn BibleInterpreta AntiChristian TenQ CreativeOrbit gofh honesttalk21 NairaLTQ MaxInDHouse 1 Like 2 Shares |
| MaxInDHouse(m): 1:05pm On Jun 05 |
JimRohn: Please i will appreciate if you reason with me directly not thinking you are challenging a book or religion. The title "GOD" has a deeper meaning than just reading what is written in any religious book, God means SUPREME BEING so if you claim to be a worshiper of a God whoever is also a worshiper of that same God should be your brother. WHY? Both of you are serving the same being therefore nobody should come in between you and your fellow worshiper of the same God since there are rules binding you together as ONE. All these religions claiming Christians and Muslims are false to me because it's only with their mouths they honor their gods not in action. Whenever politics or racism calls all their gods becomes useless and worthless and they begin fighting and killing their fellow worshipers which is evident that there was no real god binding them together as brothers in the first place! 
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| TenQ: 1:13pm On Jun 05 |
JimRohn:I agree with you on this as even Angels do not have to eat. JimRohn:The implication of CAN HE DO SOMETHING without ceasing to be Almighty is clear. Allah CANNOT, thus He cannot be God. The God of the CHristians and Jews can eat if He chooses to without ceasing to be ALMIGHTY Genesis 18:-1-8 The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground. 3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.” “Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.” 6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs[b] of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.” 7 Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. 8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree. 8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree. You just affirmed why Allah cannot be Omnipotent. JimRohn:Here is another question that exposes the Limitation of Allah as He is NOT Omnipresent nor is he Omnipotent. The God of the Jews and CHristians can be in Heaven and on Earth at the same time Genesis 19:24 24Then YHWH rained down sulfur and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah— from YHWH out of the heavens. Islamic Taoheed makes it impossible for Allah to be simultaneously on his throne above the waters after the seventh heaven and anywhere else at the same time. Psalm 139:8 "If I ascend to the heavens, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol[Hell or Grave], You are there." God as the Holy Spirit fills the heavens and the earth Jeremiah 23:23-24 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD. Allah cannot even enter the toilet, he can only know what you are doing inside the toilet isn't it? Can any Deity that is neither Omnipotent nor Omnipresent be God!? JimRohn:I don't know if this is ignorance or celebrate taqiyya. Death is NOT the cessation of LIFE: Death is the Disconnection between the Body and the Soul/Spirit! Death is the Translocation of a person from the Physical Realm to the Spiritual Realms If this is NOT True, What is the purpose if the Islamic punishment of the grave if there is cessation of life? Is death the cessation of Life? Does Allah have the Power to Die and YET remain Alive? JimRohn:Knowing the meaning of death, You have just confirmed that Allah cannot be ALMIGHTY as there are many things he cannot do! Did your prophet tell lies about Adam, Abraham, Joseph and Moses when he rode the Al-Burak to paradise or explain if a partial resurrection happed with the prophets? JimRohn:How many Iblis exist in the Universe? Is he not one like Allah? Can Iblis be simultaneously in Heaven and on Earth at the same time? Is he not just like Allah in Omnipresence and omnipotence? JimRohn:You are still justifying that many things are impossible for Allah to do! Luke 1:37 "For with God nothing will be impossible." Jeremiah 32:27 "Behold, I am YHWH, the God of all flesh; is there anything too difficult for Me?" Unfortunately, as one of Allah's slave, you it that his nature make manythings IMPOSSIBLE for Him without making him less than the Almighty JimRohn:If the WORD became Human and reduced his power and attribute that He may live within US and entered the world as a represent. The Word is like the Kunfayakun of God sent as a Messenger of His Power and Presence in Creating and making things to be. The Bible says the WORD became Human, this is the One we know as Jesus. The Father will NOT Leave His throne in Heaven The Holy Spirit will NOT abandon being EVERYWHERE in space and Time. Thus, the Kunfayakun of God becomes the Messenger of God. A mundane example: Your Soul is YOU, your Body is YOU But Your Body runs Errand for you Soul JimRohn:You disappoint me with your understanding of spiritual things. In Islam, is death a form of non-existent annihilation or a translocation ? JimRohn:If Allah doesn't limit his attribute, can you see him? Id Allah doesn't limit his attributes, do you think the Angels can behold him? Don't forget that your prophet said you will see your Lord as clearly as you see the moon. It is understandable your fears as Allah cannot enter his creation without ceasing to be Almighty. YHWH can enter His creation without ceasing to be Almighty. By His choice he came to represent us Humanity that He may legally become our Ransom from the Fire of Hell. The Pre-Existent WORD became Human John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. JimRohn:All these make Allah a subset of his creation Is it untrue that Above Allah is AIR? Sunan Ibn Majah 182 Waki' bin Hudus narrated that his paternal uncle Abu Razin said: "I said: 'O Messenger of Allah, where was our Lord before He created His creation?' He said: He was above the clouds, below which was air, and above which was air and water. Then He created His Throne above the water.'" same with if you will speak the truth and let iblis be ashamed Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3109
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| TenQ: 1:26pm On Jun 05 |
JimRohn:I have addressed your problems in the post above. BUT Let me ask you a question. 1. Jibril is an Angel, when he came to mary as a perfect man, did he stop being an angel? 2. As a perfect man, did Jibril have saliva in his mouth and does he have teeth and intestines? JimRohn:You desire a Deity in the image of creations and when you see that the True God has incompatible natures to your image, you throw tantrums. The Question is: Do you accept the Challenge! JimRohn:Trinity is RATIONAL even though for God, there is NOTHING in existence Like His Trinity. This is why with the Trinity of Giod, we can understand How He could be Omnipresent How He could be Omnipotent How He could be Omniscient AND With the Taoheed, Allah is Neither Omnipresent, NOR Omnipotent, NOR Omniscient. JimRohn:Who should be Greater, the One who was Sent or the One Who Sent Him? Who is Greater, the father and the Son? Who is greater, Your Soul or your Body? If according to your hadith, AIR is ABOVE Allah and Water is Below Him, Allah is a subset of the Universe! |
| QuinQ: 1:44pm On Jun 05 |
MaxInDHouse: Facts like Jesus Christ is Moses!😅 Despite that Moses is dead while Jesus is alive! 
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| MaxInDHouse(m): 2:35pm On Jun 05 |
QuinQ:Did you know Jesus face to face? How sure you are that he's not David sef?  Guy whatever we read in books shouldn't be much more important than the welfare of all concerned. So everything remains THEORIES until BENEFITS are derived! Matthew 7:16-18
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| Antichristian2: 3:01pm On Jun 05 |
MaxInDHouse: Na JW yardstick not mine! |
| QuinQ: 3:06pm On Jun 05 |
MaxInDHouse: Have you forgotten "the book" is the Bible, the infallible word of God? 😆 I wonder what Israelites would have done if Moses started talking like Jesus: "Why are you asking me what God looks like? Are you not looking at me? You are looking right at God and still asking what God looks like. You stubborn people, which other God do you want to see? I am the resurrection and the life, the Alpha abd Omega. Before Abraham, I am. Get it? I AM! I know you want to kill me. I tell you, even if you kill me I will raise myself from dead in 3 days or less. What else can you do after that? What?!" What do you think Israelites would have done?😆 CreativeOrbit, why do you think Jesus spoke like that. |
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