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jedisco(m): 7:57am On Mar 02
Lolli2pop:



Thank you Jedisco … extremely clearrrrr, very very clear . Makes perfect sense.

I intend using trading 212 as a platform, is that wat u use as well?

I tend to go for the cheapest platform which has a cheap truly global fvnd as small fees can compound over time to huge sums.
Used T212 for an ISA in one tax year cos they offered a good bonus year. Asides that, I use Investengine (ISA, GIA, BIA), Vanguard (pensions) and Dodl (LISA). Among the three, Investengine is my most prefered- app/site is sleek, offerings are decent

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jedisco(m): 8:09am On Mar 02
wallg123:
lol ..
Does America need Ukraine or Ukraine needs America? . Do you also know America is also negotiating with Russia on those same so called "Rare-earth minerals"...
Zelensky is not a diplomat, he allowed his emotions get the best of him on national TV. what has been seen cannot be unseen and whatever deal he ends up making would be worse than what was initially offered..

Trump should not get the peace price because he might still send bombs to Gaza

Truth be said, the gruelling was painful to watch. Z lacked diplomacy- There was no point engaging in a public show. He should have leaned into unviersal American/ anti-Russian principles and focused on the need to find 'lasting' peace. At a point even Vance said there was no need putting up a spectacle in front of the media- the arguments are better done behind doors.

Many of the statements he made which provoked a Trump response were not necessary. E.g reminding Trump that they are only safe from Russia 'for now' cos of an ocean and things may change. Understandably, English is not his first language

It's in situations like this one may need some British diplomacy. We've seen Keir in his meeting fawn over Trump using certain words repeatedly e.g 'special relationship', 'unprecedented invite'

Wouldn't be surprised there'd be another meeting but this time featuring a forlorn Z with Trump parading him like a trophy.
jedisco(m): 8:31am On Mar 02
Goke7:


It was even more irritating when the vp was reminding Zelensky that he campaigned for the opposition, are they not over the elections they won? Honestly I think Zelensky was even more tolerant, there’s no human in the middle of a war that won’t be pissed

Hehe.. what would he done? Walk out and face Putin?

For all Trump said- he reminded Z he doesn’t have the main cards here. Z is the one seeking help and he should be playing his cards well.

Just like at the onset of this war, I still continue to wonder how Ukraine would gain.

Before the war, when UK and U.S warned Z that Russia were amassing troops on his border, he laughed them off as being war mongers. Appears he had no idea which is shocking for 2 nations so closely intertwined.

Many nations have gained-
China and India get cheap energy
North Korea got a nuclear power behind them with security guarantees
Some European countries used the distraction to quickly NATO
U.S used this to appraise and deplete Russian capabilities/demography, test new and deplete old weapons plus fund their military industry.

Ukraine is not more likely to NATO now than they were at the beginning of the war. Russia has also suffered and any 'victory' now would be phyrric and looking to prove a point which is not what Ukraine wants.

We all agree Russia is the bad bear and America the dominant lion. Could Ukraine not extricate itself from being cannon fodder between the two? What effort did Ukraine make to avoid this? This was largely foreseeable. The reality of the world today is that if a nation decided to make the Soviets (or now China) their best friend, they probably don't want to share a border with America.

For all the huffing, how long can the EU unilaterally Ukraine without the U.S? How long before the 1 million young NEETs in the UK question why we are sending billions to Ukraine when their benefits are being cut?

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jedisco(m): 8:39am On Mar 02
Zahra29:


Yes Canadians are almost as stubborn and bullish as Americans.

Zelensky is also being brave in standing up to Trump. Did you see the exchange shouting match between Trump and Vance at Zelensky today? I felt so sorry for Z but proud of how he handled himself.

Can't imagine how Starmer would have reacted, he's only used to shouting back at Kemi. He would have probably dragged Charlie along with him to the Oval office to beg Trump lol

The new German chancellor is another one who doesn't seem eager to bend the knee to Trump.

Hehe. I also wonder how Kemi would manage this issue or a Trump presidency if she was the PM. Enlighten Trump on how she intends to save the west?

Starmer is only following tradition. UK foreign policy for a longtime has been to go in tandem with the U.S. If the Americans say jump, we ask how high. So far, this has worked for us.

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Goke7: 8:52am On Mar 02
jedisco:


Truth be said, the gruelling was painful to watch. Z lacked diplomacy- There was no point engaging in a public show. He should have leaned into unviersal American/ anti-Russian principles and focused on the need to find 'lasting' peace. At a point even Vance said there was no need putting up a spectacle in front of the media- the arguments are better done behind doors.

Many of the statements he made which provoked a Trump response were not necessary. E.g reminding Trump that they are only safe from Russia 'for now' cos of an ocean and things may change. Understandably, English is not his first language

It's in situations like this one may need some British diplomacy. We've seen Keir in his meeting fawn over Trump using certain words repeatedly e.g 'special relationship', 'unprecedented invite'

Wouldn't be surprised there'd be another meeting but this time featuring a forlorn Z with Trump parading him like a trophy.

That’s the only thing i didn’t agree with with Ukraine president but jd Vance had began bullying him prior to that. Perhaps Z knew something that’s not too known yet cos with all Trump is doing there are rumours about vulnerabilities already in the US national security apparatus.
Goke7: 9:00am On Mar 02
jedisco:


Hehe.. what would he done? Walk out and face Putin?

For all Trump said- he reminded Z he doesn’t have the main cards here. Z is the one seeking help and he should be playing his cards well.

Just like at the onset of this war, I still continue to wonder how Ukraine would gain.

Before the war, when UK and U.S warned Z that Russia were amassing troops on his border, he laughed them off as being war mongers. Appears he had no idea which is shocking for 2 nations so closely intertwined.

Many nations have gained-
China and India get cheap energy
North Korea got a nuclear power behind them with security guarantees
Some European countries used the distraction to quickly NATO
U.S used this to appraise and deplete Russian capabilities/demography, test new and deplete old weapons plus fund their military industry.

Ukraine is not more likely to NATO now than they were at the beginning of the war. Russia has also suffered and any 'victory' now would be phyrric and looking to prove a point which is not what Ukraine wants.

We all agree Russia is the bad bear and America the dominant lion. Could Ukraine not extricate itself from being cannon fodder between the two? What effort did Ukraine make to avoid this? This was largely foreseeable. The reality of the world today is that if a nation decided to make the Soviets (or now China) their best friend, they probably don't want to share a border with America.

For all the huffing, how long can the EU unilaterally Ukraine without the U.S? How long before the 1 million young NEETs in the UK question why we are sending billions to Ukraine when their benefits are being cut?

Dude was there to sign the agreement all Trump needed to do was to allay fears of Z that they will start work on the security guaranty part (even if he will not just say something to make it a quick meeting). Trump as usual is too rigid to bend backwards and think everything must be a TV show. He’s definitely going back on the negotiating table after all his huff and puff season is over cos how will he explain to his boss musk that he won’t get those rare minerals (I bet you the Europe will be willing to spend more to get those minerals for themselves) for his Tesla empire. And like our dear Aunty Z has said here next time Trump should tell his VP to sit down at home when duly elected presidents are having a chat whether they are dressed in suits or not.
Gift7428: 9:17am On Mar 02
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AgentXxx:
That is a good news. What about renewing online? Have they started yet?
deept(m): 9:28am On Mar 02
jedisco:


Hehe.. what would he done? Walk out and face Putin?

For all Trump said- he reminded Z he doesn’t have the main cards here. Z is the one seeking help and he should be playing his cards well.

Just like at the onset of this war, I still continue to wonder how Ukraine would gain.

Before the war, when UK and U.S warned Z that Russia were amassing troops on his border, he laughed them off as being war mongers. Appears he had no idea which is shocking for 2 nations so closely intertwined.

Many nations have gained-
China and India get cheap energy
North Korea got a nuclear power behind them with security guarantees
Some European countries used the distraction to quickly NATO
U.S used this to appraise and deplete Russian capabilities/demography, test new and deplete old weapons plus fund their military industry.

Ukraine is not more likely to NATO now than they were at the beginning of the war. Russia has also suffered and any 'victory' now would be phyrric and looking to prove a point which is not what Ukraine wants.

We all agree Russia is the bad bear and America the dominant lion. Could Ukraine not extricate itself from being cannon fodder between the two? What effort did Ukraine make to avoid this? This was largely foreseeable. The reality of the world today is that if a nation decided to make the Soviets (or now China) their best friend, they probably don't want to share a border with America.

For all the huffing, how long can the EU unilaterally Ukraine without the U.S? How long before the 1 million young NEETs in the UK question why we are sending billions to Ukraine when their benefits are being cut?

My sentiments exactly. £Billion pounds more, more people dead, more territories lost, country is in greater debt, keep digging into a bottomless hole. The only way Ukraine gets anything out of this is if Russia loses.

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Cyberknight: 9:40am On Mar 02
wallg123: 10:47am On Mar 02
What's really going on in Aviation these days ? Almost every week there is a new incident / accident or near miss around the world but especially in the USA. A few hours ago a FedEx cargo plan made an emergency landing as the engine was on fire ... Are these just random or is there something cynical at play ?

justwise(m): 10:54am On Mar 02
wallg123:
What's really going on in Aviation these days ? Almost every week there is a new incident / accident or near miss around the world but especially in the USA. A few hours ago a FedEx cargo plan made an emergency landing as the engine was on fire ... Are these just random or is there something cynical at play ?


DEI

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wallg123: 11:00am On Mar 02
If you still think Ukraine can survive without the US, this is for you... Just like Americans, Europeans are also using zelensky before they finally abandon him.

Goodenoch: 12:41pm On Mar 02
*Deleted as just saw Justwise has already provided the best answer.
justwise(m): 1:46pm On Mar 02
Goodenoch:

*Deleted as just saw Justwise has already provided the best answer.
lol
Goke7: 2:17pm On Mar 02
Cyberknight:
Lighten up, everyone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUpOMSJ1MdU

😂 the vp who’s been to Ukraine on google maps is my best actor, what a clown!
wallg123: 2:56pm On Mar 02
What's the point of acting tough, calling for top European security meetings. when after your toughness you'll be presenting your discussed proposals to your daddy "the big Don" Trump?... A circus 🎪 of clowns 🤡

Zahra29: 3:52pm On Mar 02
jedisco:


Hehe. I also wonder how Kemi would manage this issue or a Trump presidency if she was the PM. Enlighten Trump on how she intends to save the west?

Starmer is only following tradition. UK foreign policy for a longtime has been to go in tandem with the U.S. If the Americans say jump, we ask how high. So far, this has worked for us.

UK's foreign policy since Churchill has been to prioritise a special relationship with the US. However there's a stark difference between how PMs like Thatcher conducted that relationship with her American counterpart Reagan, where they interacted as equals with mutual respect, and more recent PMs from Blair onwards where we have been become more and more obsequious to the US with ever grander acts of fealty and appeasement such as two state visits extended to the same president in a few years (which has never been done before).This is not what our tradition was.

Starmer's advised strategy going in to meet Trump was to not correct or challenge Trump on any point ,no matter how inaccurate or morally corrupt his view was. But at home you're a local champion when playing pantomime politics at PMQs. Even Macron has the guts to tactfully challenge Trump when necessary.

Starmer tends to virtue-signal a lot but if you look past the one liners and actually focus on the substance of his actions, you'll see that there's not much daylight between Starmer and Kemi in their key policies, both domestic and foreign. Starmer is just more careful to say the "right things" which some people are happy to lap up as long as he's putting down their enemy lol.

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Kenn55: 4:10pm On Mar 02
jedisco:


Hehe.. what would he done? Walk out and face Putin?

For all Trump said- he reminded Z he doesn’t have the main cards here. Z is the one seeking help and he should be playing his cards well.

Just like at the onset of this war, I still continue to wonder how Ukraine would gain.

Before the war, when UK and U.S warned Z that Russia were amassing troops on his border, he laughed them off as being war mongers. Appears he had no idea which is shocking for 2 nations so closely intertwined.

Many nations have gained-
China and India get cheap energy
North Korea got a nuclear power behind them with security guarantees
Some European countries used the distraction to quickly NATO
U.S used this to appraise and deplete Russian capabilities/demography, test new and deplete old weapons plus fund their military industry.

Ukraine is not more likely to NATO now than they were at the beginning of the war. Russia has also suffered and any 'victory' now would be phyrric and looking to prove a point which is not what Ukraine wants.

We all agree Russia is the bad bear and America the dominant lion. Could Ukraine not extricate itself from being cannon fodder between the two? What effort did Ukraine make to avoid this? This was largely foreseeable. The reality of the world today is that if a nation decided to make the Soviets (or now China) their best friend, they probably don't want to share a border with America.

For all the huffing, how long can the EU unilaterally Ukraine without the U.S? How long before the 1 million young NEETs in the UK question why we are sending billions to Ukraine when their benefits are being cut?

I think they intended to ambush Z to sign the deal without questions. That is why they brought the cameras hoping Z would just say yes without questions. Otherwise there is no reason on earth why those discussions shouldn't be done in close door. Leaders at that level agree on paper things like that and now invite cameras for just g ceremony.

I agree Z made some mistakes in the way he talked but he was raising some genuine issues. Without a clear security guarantee, how can we be sure that Putin will not reinvade? There was an agreement signed in 2019 that he tossed away.

The reason why US is important for Ukraine cos Trump is the only guy that Putin respects and fears so he can use his might to extract concessions from Putin for Ukraine so they said. However, up till now there is no indication he is applying or willing to apply pressure on Putin to give up something, he is just agreeing to everything Putin is saying but we are seeing pressure on Ukraine to sign mineral deal.

If the idea is to end the war on Putin's only then Ukraine can end it on their own, they don't need the US for it. Z can just call Putin and agree to his demand to pull out of the 4 regions Russia wants to gain and the war will end now. Putin also wants to end the war cos he is bleeding too but Ukraine is bleeding far more.

Trump is supposed to be a strong man but it seems that his strength is only when it comes to weaker countries. If you listen to Trump, it seems Russia is more powerful than the US and the US has to accept whatever Russia wants.

My advice to Ukraine will be to accept their loss and give Russia whatever they want to end the war. It is no different than what Trump is offering.

My advice to America is to stop wasting money on military budget, it is useless and a waste. If their only power is to bully weaker nations and can't even stand up to powerful countries then they can do that with small military budget cos they are not as powerful as we thought. They should channel their money to fix their Healthcare instead.

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Zahra29: 4:20pm On Mar 02
Kenn55:


I think they intended to ambush Z to sign the deal without questions. That is why they brought the cameras hoping Z would just say yes without questions. Otherwise there is no reason on earth why those discussions shouldn't be done in close door. Leaders at that level agree on paper things like that and now invite cameras for just g ceremony.

I agree Z made some mistakes in the way he talked but he was raising some genuine issues. Without a clear security guarantee, how can we be sure that Putin will not reinvade? There was an agreement signed in 2019 that he tossed away.



My advice to America is to stop wasting money on military budget, it is useless and a waste. If their only power is to bully weaker nations and can't even stand up to powerful countries then they can do that with small military budget cos they are not as powerful as we thought. They should channel their money to fix their Healthcare instead.



💯 To the bolded(not to mention the 1994 international treaty that he also reneged on).

It's a simple but critical point that many on here are happy to ignore. It makes zero sense to sign away all your nation's resources without even the most basic security guarantees that Russia will not reinvade. It would be Slave Trade Agreement 2.0 and we know how Africa fared in this arrangement.

Anyways all this talk is moot. Trump will eventually meet with Z and agree a deal that meets Ukraine's of security protection. Otherwise Russia will inherit >$billions in mineral wealth, instead of the US - and it won't be only Ukraine that loses. Trump might be mercurial but he isn't stupid.
Goke7: 4:59pm On Mar 02
Kenn55:


I think they intended to ambush Z to sign the deal without questions. That is why they brought the cameras hoping Z would just say yes without questions. Otherwise there is no reason on earth why those discussions shouldn't be done in close door. Leaders at that level agree on paper things like that and now invite cameras for just g ceremony.

I agree Z made some mistakes in the way he talked but he was raising some genuine issues. Without a clear security guarantee, how can we be sure that Putin will not reinvade? There was an agreement signed in 2019 that he tossed away.

The reason why US is important for Ukraine cos Trump is the only guy that Putin respects and fears so he can use his might to extract concessions from Putin for Ukraine so they said. However, up till now there is no indication he is applying or willing to apply pressure on Putin to give up something, he is just agreeing to everything Putin is saying but we are seeing pressure on Ukraine to sign mineral deal.

If the idea is to end the war on Putin's only then Ukraine can end it on their own, they don't need the US for it. Z can just call Putin and agree to his demand to pull out of the 4 regions Russia wants to gain and the war will end now. Putin also wants to end the war cos he is bleeding too but Ukraine is bleeding far more.

Trump is supposed to be a strong man but it seems that his strength is only when it comes to weaker countries. If you listen to Trump, it seems Russia is more powerful than the US and the US has to accept whatever Russia wants.

My advice to Ukraine will be to accept their loss and give Russia whatever they want to end the war. It is no different than what Trump is offering.

My advice to America is to stop wasting money on military budget, it is useless and a waste. If their only power is to bully weaker nations and can't even stand up to powerful countries then they can do that with small military budget cos they are not as powerful as we thought. They should channel their money to fix their Healthcare instead.




They aren’t wasting money as 70% of the spending cash stays in the US in form of defence contracts and jobs. Baba Trump and gang are just looking to corner their own share.
eniola1010(m): 7:24pm On Mar 02
Please my people

(1) which reliable cargo company can send luggages from uk to canada?
(2) with a brp can i transit through dublin?
(3) with a uk visit visa can i transit through dublin?
jedisco(m): 8:24pm On Mar 02
Goke7:


Dude was there to sign the agreement all Trump needed to do was to allay fears of Z that they will start work on the security guaranty part (even if he will not just say something to make it a quick meeting). Trump as usual is too rigid to bend backwards and think everything must be a TV show. He’s definitely going back on the negotiating table after all his huff and puff season is over cos how will he explain to his boss musk that he won’t get those rare minerals (I bet you the Europe will be willing to spend more to get those minerals for themselves) for his Tesla empire. And like our dear Aunty Z has said here next time Trump should tell his VP to sit down at home when duly elected presidents are having a chat whether they are dressed in suits or not.

Hehe.. Lets take emotions out of this. Ukraine needs the U.S.

It was already clear Z wasn't in Trumps good books. He knew that.
No world leader today comes close to Trumps media mastery. Z whose first language isn't English was meeting the American president at the height of his powers surrounded by his lap dogs in the White House. The last thing he needed was getting into a senseless public debate. It was callous. It's like a foreign leader debating the British PM in parliament- what do you expect?

Already, Macron and Starmer had gone before him to smoothen the way. Negotiations had already been made and it was reported all that was left was a signature. The security guarantee or not would have been part of the agreement. If it wasn't there already, a public spat with Trump would not put it in.

Z can disagree with Trump without being antagonistic. Look at when Starmer visited and Vance went on a rant about 'free speech' concerns and how it was hurting American interests. Starmer went diagonal and countered him without any fuss. Lastly, if the first encounter was difficult to watch, I wouldn't be so keen on another- it might just be a victory parade of an emasculated Z.
jedisco(m): 8:33pm On Mar 02
deept:


My sentiments exactly. £Billion pounds more, more people dead, more territories lost, country is in greater debt, keep digging into a bottomless hole. The only way Ukraine gets anything out of this is if Russia loses.

True.. and what does a Russian loss look like? The worry is that both parties are to far gone that they wouldn't want to stop here. It also remains to be seen how long and far-reaching the European for Ukraine would be. Already, we see where Nigel is headed.

The odd thing is that whats happening today is not surprising. At the start of the war/invasion, similar concerns were raised and I folks asking why as an immigrant, you chose the UK but now arguing against 'western interests'. Now, the president of America - the nation who is the unrivalled leader of the West has blamed the war of Ukraine, do we all forgo independent thought and start sprouting whatever Trump says because we migrated here? Interesting times.

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jedisco(m): 8:44pm On Mar 02
Zahra29:


UK's foreign policy since Churchill has been to prioritise a special relationship with the US. However there's a stark difference between how PMs like Thatcher conducted that relationship with her American counterpart Reagan, where they interacted as equals with mutual respect, and more recent PMs from Blair onwards where we have been become more and more obsequious to the US with ever grander acts of fealty and appeasement such as two state visits extended to the same president in a few years (which has never been done before).This is not what our tradition was.
....
Starmer tends to virtue-signal a lot but if you look past the one liners and actually focus on the substance of what he's doing, you'll see that there's not much daylight between Starmer and Kemi in their key policies, both domestic and foreign. Starmer is just more careful to say the "right things" which some people are happy to lap up as long as he's putting down their enemy lol.

Hehehe. Lets hope Nigel doesn't become PM - he would go with Prince Andrew to wash plates in Musks kitchen.

I see some difference between KS and Kemi. At least one is not calling our carers 'bottom wipers'. Kemi needs to start addressing issues. I'm genuinely curious as to how she'd have handled Trump et.al

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wallg123: 8:54pm On Mar 02
jedisco:


True.. and what does a Russian loss look like? The worry is that both parties are to far gone that they wouldn't want to stop here. It also remains to be seen how long and far-reaching the European for Ukraine would be. Already, we see where Nigel is headed.

The odd thing is that whats happening today is not surprising. At the start of the war/invasion, similar concerns were raised and I folks asking why as an immigrant, you chose the UK but now arguing against 'western interests'. Now, the president of America - the nation who is the unrivalled leader of the West has blamed the war of Ukraine, do we all forgo independent thought and start sprouting whatever Trump says because we migrated here? Interesting times.
lol ...
Get used to that quote bro😂😂...

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jedisco(m): 8:55pm On Mar 02
Kenn55:


I think they intended to ambush Z to sign the deal without questions. That is why they brought the cameras hoping Z would just say yes without questions. Otherwise there is no reason on earth why those discussions shouldn't be done in close door. Leaders at that level agree on paper things like that and now invite cameras for just g ceremony.
...

If the idea is to end the war on Putin's only then Ukraine can end it on their own, they don't need the US for it. Z can just call Putin and agree to his demand to pull out of the 4 regions Russia wants to gain and the war will end now. Putin also wants to end the war cos he is bleeding too but Ukraine is bleeding far more.
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Any deal Z was going to sign must have been read through multiple times before he even stepped on the plane to the U.S. Reason why I don't get the public brouhaha. Get done with what you're there for and leave

Seriously, what were you expecting? That Russia would willfully retreat to the pre-war borders and give up Crimea? After so many dead, they would have to be beaten flat out to accept that and it would be the end of Putin.
To give up 'only' 4 regions, Z needs U.S backing him. Without them, he may be giving up much more.

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justwise(m): 9:19pm On Mar 02
jedisco:


Hehe.. Lets take emotions out of this. Ukraine needs the U.S.

It was already clear Z wasn't in Trumps good books. He knew that.
No world leader today comes close to Trumps media mastery. Z whose first language isn't English was meeting the American president at the height of his powers surrounded by his lap dogs in the White House. The last thing he needed was getting into a senseless public debate. It was callous. It's like a foreign leader debating the British PM in parliament- what do you expect?

Already, Macron and Starmer had gone before him to smoothen the way. Negotiations had already been made and it was reported all that was left was a signature. The security guarantee or not would have been part of the agreement. If it wasn't there already, a public spat with Trump would not put it in.

Z can disagree with Trump without being antagonistic. Look at when Starmer visited and Vance went on a rant about 'free speech' concerns and how it was hurting American interests. Starmer went diagonal and countered him without any fuss. Lastly, if the first encounter was difficult to watch, I wouldn't be so keen on another- it might just be a victory parade of an emasculated Z.

It wasn't and that is the prob, all the outburst that played out was because they did not get their way behind closed down.

I disagree with you regarding his attitude , he did nothing wrong, Trump and his VP were pissed because they failed to force him to give away that mineral without getting anything in return.

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wallg123: 9:50pm On Mar 02
Is this the group of 🤡 that the so called Ukraine wants to bet her security on?

Meldrick(m): 10:19pm On Mar 02
UK COS fraud, insufficient work hours and right of Migrants explained
Watch on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVqpNiBYdsI?si=xSN5dvbKC8rNGxS-

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Goke7: 11:02pm On Mar 02
jedisco:


Hehe.. Lets take emotions out of this. Ukraine needs the U.S.

It was already clear Z wasn't in Trumps good books. He knew that.
No world leader today comes close to Trumps media mastery. Z whose first language isn't English was meeting the American president at the height of his powers surrounded by his lap dogs in the White House. The last thing he needed was getting into a senseless public debate. It was callous. It's like a foreign leader debating the British PM in parliament- what do you expect?

Already, Macron and Starmer had gone before him to smoothen the way. Negotiations had already been made and it was reported all that was left was a signature. The security guarantee or not would have been part of the agreement. If it wasn't there already, a public spat with Trump would not put it in.

Z can disagree with Trump without being antagonistic. Look at when Starmer visited and Vance went on a rant about 'free speech' concerns and how it was hurting American interests. Starmer went diagonal and countered him without any fuss. Lastly, if the first encounter was difficult to watch, I wouldn't be so keen on another- it might just be a victory parade of an emasculated Z.

We can continue to excuse the vp and his boss behaviour but they are still going to get to the table again with Ukraine no matter how they despised Z, they are the ones actually wasting their time with all the boasting that they will end the war in 24 hours.

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Jamesclooney: 11:14am On Mar 03
Donald Trump is showing everyone democracy is overrated.
Zahra29: 11:25am On Mar 03
Goke7:


We can continue to excuse the vp and his boss behaviour but they are still going to get to the table again with Ukraine no matter how they despised Z, they are the ones actually wasting their time with all the boasting that they will end the war in 24 hours.

💯

Despise is the correct word.

Most people have forgotten that Trump's beef with Z started back in 2019 when he tried to coerce Z into investigating Biden in order to find dirt that would damage Biden's 2020 campaign.

Z refused to play ball. Trump retaliated by blocking Congress approved aid to Ukraine before being forced to do a U turn when a whistleblower exposed the sordid going-ons. The rest is history - Trump was eventually impeached and Biden won the election.

I doubt Trump has forgotten or forgiven this.

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